|  |  | Previous Folio / Nedarim Directory / Tractate List / Navigate Site # Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Nedarim ### Folio 24a 'Konam that I do not benefit from your if you do not accept for your son a kor of wheat and two barrels of wine,' — his neighbour may annul his vow without [recourse to] a Sage, by saying: 'Did you vow for any other purpose but to honour me? This [nonacceptance] is my honour.' Thus, it is only because he asserts, 'This is my honour'; but otherwise, it is [a binding] vow. Whose view is this? If R. Eliezer b. Jacob's, — it is a vow of incitement?1 Hence it must be the Rabbis,2 thus proving that they disagree with R. Eliezer! — [No.] After all, it may be R. Eliezer b. Jacob's view: he admits that this is a [real] vow, for he [who makes it] says [in effect], 'I am not a dog, that I should benefit from you without your benefiting from me.' Come and hear: If one says to his neighbour, 'Konam that you benefit not from me, if you do not give my son a kor of wheat and two barrels of wine,' — R. Meir rules: He is [so] forbidden until he gives; but the Rabbis maintain: He too can annul his vow without a Sage by declaring: 'I regard it as though I have received it.' Thus, it is only because he says, 'I regard it as though I have received it'; but otherwise it is [a valid] vow. Whose view is this? If R. Eliezer b. Jacob's, — but it is a vow of incitement. Hence it must be the Rabbis'; thus proving that they disagree with him! — [No.] Verily, it may be R. Eliezer b. Jacob's view: he admits that this is a [real] vow, for he [who makes it] says, 'I am not a king to benefit you without your benefiting me.' Mar Kashisha son of R. Hisda said to R. Ashi, Come and hear: VOWS [BROKEN] UNDER PRESSURE: If one subjected his neighbour to a vow to dine with him,3 and then he or his son fell sick, or a river prevented him [from coming to him]. But otherwise the vow is binding. Whose view is this? If R. Eliezer b. Jacob's, — but it is [a vow of] incitement. Hence it must be the Rabbis', which proves that they disagree with him! — [No.] This may be R. Eliezer b. Jacob's view. Do you think that the inviter imposed the vow upon the invited? On the contrary, the invited imposed the vow upon the inviter. Thus: He said to his neighbour, 'Do you invite me to your banquet?' 'Yes,' replied he. 'Then make a vow to that effect.' So he vowed, and then he [the person invited] or his son fell sick, or was kept back by a river; such are vows [broken] under pressure. Come and hear: R. Eliezer b. Jacob went even further [in his definition of vows of incitement]: If one says to his neighbour, 'konam that I do not benefit from you if you will not be my guest and partake of fresh bread and a hot drink with me'; and the latter remonstrated in his turn — such too are vows of incitement.4 But the Sages did not admit this. Now, to what does this disagreement refer? Surely, To Part b Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files Which is invalid in any case. The text is thus emended by BaH. Saying, 'You are forbidden to benefit from me if you do not eat with me'. [Although the fact that the invitation was so carefully worded, and that the other remonstrated would tend to indicate that the vower was in earnest.] Tractate List / Glossary / / Bible Reference ### Nedarim 24b even to the first [illustration given by R. Eliezer b. Jacob]! This proves that the Rabbis dispute his ruling [in its entirety]. This proves it.1 What is our final conclusion on the matter?2 — Come and hear: For R. Huna said: The halachah is like R. Eliezer b. Jacob.3 MISHNAH. VOWS OF EXAGGERATION: WHEN ONE SAYS, 'KONAM IF I DID NOT SEE ON THIS ROAD AS MANY AS DEPARTED FROM EGYPT, OR 'IF I DID NOT SEE A SERPENT LIKE THE BEAM OF AN OLIVE PRESS. GEMARA. It was taught: Vows of exaggeration are invalid, but oaths of such a nature are binding. How are such oaths possible? Shall we say that one said. 'I swear [so and so] if I have not seen etc.' — he said nothing!4 — Abaye answered: When one declares, 'I swear that I did see' etc.5 Raba objected: If so, why teach it?6 Moreover, it is taught parallel to vows!7 But, said Raba: When one says, 'May [all] the fruit in the world be forbidden me on oath if I did not see on this road as many as departed from Egypt.' Rabina said to R. Ashi: Perhaps this man saw an ant nest and designated them8 'those who left Egypt's his oath thus being genuine? — - To Next Folio - Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files So cur. edd. Asheri: No. The disagreement refers only to the latter example. Accordingly, the next question: what is our final conclusion, still refers to the same problem, whether the Rabbis disagree or not. Having proved that they disagree, whose view is law? V. preceding note. Ran: The answerer knew that R. Huna referred to the first too, or assumed that he would be referring to the Mishnah, which was well known by all, rather than the Baraitha, which was not so well known. Alternatively, the whole point of the question whether the Rabbis disagree is to know the correct halachah, for since they are in the majority it may not be as R. Eliezer b. Jacob. Now, however, that R. Huna gave his ruling that the halachah is as R. Eliezer b. Jacob in the whole matter, it makes no difference whether the Rabbis disagree with him or not. He did not complete his sentence. It is then not regarded as an intentionally false oath, meriting punishment, but as an oath of exaggeration. It is obvious. Just as vows seek to impose an interdict, so do these oaths too. On account of their large number. Tractate List / Glossary / / Bible Reference |  |  |